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welcome to shattered reality with their

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hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to

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have your paradigm shifted into truth

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questions and now shattered reality hi

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and here we are again firoozeh yes

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indeed here we are do you want to slay

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today no you go right ahead you're very

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good at slitting all right we have here

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today we're in February yeah almost

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almost the end of February yeah I'm just

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looking for the date actually I don't

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even remember the date of February 27

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okay today is February 27 2018 and we

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have a very interesting show for

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everybody today and I'm will be very

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very proud and happy to present another

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member of the Society for scientific

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exploration and that's not her only

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credit at all she has lots and lots of

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credits but I mean even organizations to

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which she belongs but she is a a person

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who has received her doctorate in

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pharmacology and toxicology with a minor

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in immunology and microbiology from the

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University of Arizona in 2003 but she is

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known to us as a person who began the

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wind bridge Institute so let us welcome

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dr. Julie bye shall two shattered

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reality hearty welcome is a hearty

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welcome and I I always feel like we

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should clap because I'm always thinking

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about that the stage presence here and

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we don't have a a background clapping so

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good afternoon doctor by shell how you

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doing today I'm good thank you so much

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for having me glad to be here well we

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are thrilled to have you

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and the first thing that I think we want

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to ask you about is the wind bridge

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Institute versus the wind bridge

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Research Center I have heard you speak

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at an SSE meeting and met you and your

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husband mark dr. mark but kuzey

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and but I understand now you've changed

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the setup of your organization so maybe

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you would start there okay that's a good

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place to start so in 2008 mark and I

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started the wind bridge Institute and we

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had a lot of different research and

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interests and one of them was mediumship

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and after-death communication and at the

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end of 2017 we moved the that line of

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research to the new nonprofit win bridge

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Research Center and and so what the what

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remains that the Institute is in tension

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and intuition research but we moved all

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of the after death communication and

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afterlife research including mediumship

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to the new nonprofit wind bridge

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Research Center which is dedicated to

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performing rigorous scientific research

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and creating free educational materials

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with the purpose of alleviating

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suffering around the topics of dying

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death and what comes next

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that's really extremely fascinating and

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I must say that I'm equally fascinated

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with the ideas of intention and you know

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other psychic abilities that might be

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still under the auspices of the wind

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bridge Institute but for today I think

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we're going to concentrate on the whole

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idea of mediumship so maybe we can talk

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a little bit about the idea of survival

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of consciousness okay so there is a

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theory called materialism that posits

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that the brain creates consciousness and

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when and and all you are

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is chemistry and biology and when the

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brain dies you die and you are gone

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forever

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yes the competing hypothesis is talks

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about non-local consciousness and that

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theory is that consciousness the brain

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doesn't make consciousness but

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consciousness exists sort of somewhere

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and like saying where who knows where

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that isn't like there's a lot of

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concepts about how we experience reality

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that things have a place at a time but

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this nonlocality

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theory is that consciousness it sort of

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exists beyond space and time and it's

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just filtered or like an antenna through

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the brain or a signal is out there and

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everywhere but your brain serves as the

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antenna to pull it into the so that you

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feel like you're centered in this meat

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bag we have that body but really it's

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your everywhere and you and this is why

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things like precognition and telepathy

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and clairvoyance can happen because

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consciousness isn't trapped in the brain

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it has access to all of this other

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information forward and backward in time

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and all over the universe and so

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survival of consciousness just feeds on

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that and that when the brain dies the

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consciousness doesn't die because it

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didn't exist in there anyway it always

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existed outside of you and so when your

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body dies in your brain dies you

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continue to exist and so that's called

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survival of consciousness

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thinking of the brain as a transceiver

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or a radio kind of operation it it does

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survive as a general energy or do we

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have survival of personality right that

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would be in there too right like what

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can get really messy and we don't really

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know there's so much about all of this

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we just don't know yet but so it's sort

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of like the the main pieces are there

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well there's something that survives we

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talked about the planks in this survival

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platform so mediumship is one near-death

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experience research is one out-of-body

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experience research is one so there are

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these different things you know there's

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the the old metaphor of any one of those

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you may be able to break one stick but

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when you put the sticks in a bundle it's

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very difficult to break absolutely

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all of those research areas together

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really demonstrate that this is a

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characteristic of consciousness that it

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can survive physical death

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aha and and and dr. Julia Moss bridge is

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in this or wind bridge organization with

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you she's joined forces with you know

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she she has her own Institute that Moss

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bridge it's Julia Moss bridge yes you my

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soul and it's its Moss bridge Institute

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at whim bridge Institute you know in

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bridge research center it gets very

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confusing but no like she and Mark are

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working on a project together currently

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through the window age Institute and the

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Mossberg Institute but Julia serves on

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our scientific advisory board okay at

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the research center but we don't we

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don't do research with her on these

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topics per se okay so I'm a little

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mistake in there you know your

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background in immunology interests me

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too because obviously that's one cell

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recognizing an external cell you know

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in a very broad category and it's

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information it's you know it's the

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whatever the immune response is it it

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recognizes a foreign body let's say so

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it's almost I think you're almost doing

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that with consciousness and so on is

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it's like our bodies are somehow attuned

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to recognizing an external force and

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some people probably have it a little

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bit more than others yeah I mean that's

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sort of the principle behind the placebo

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effect right that that even things that

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chemically can't do anything contain the

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information yeah and or your belief

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system contains the information that can

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heal you and yeah there's a lot like

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fascinating to me

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from a medical background that like the

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mind built the body so whatever the mind

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tells the body the body does and so I'm

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really fascinated by the the causes of

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disease that are metaphysical or you

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know karmic even and yeah that's for

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like the next decade I'll study that but

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the intention part comes in strongly

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there although we're not going to go

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totally down that road today but I'm

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very familiar with intention and using

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intention and amazing the results you

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can get from using intention including

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hopefully self healing and also dr. box

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well you know with pharmacology we could

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go back to the 60s and we're

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pharmacology became sort of a group

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sport I don't know but you know I'm

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wondering that I think a lot of your

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background almost pointed you into this

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path in in a different way you know like

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you didn't start out studying

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consciousness of life after death or

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whatever but the background that you did

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develop certainly gave you a great start

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into studying these yeah I mean it's

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it's really good training to have

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because as an empiricist I'm trained in

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how to apply the scientific method to

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great science is just it's not a set of

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knowledge or you know facts

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it's a toolbox and you can apply those

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tools to any concept so that really that

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previous training in this in these

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integrated fields of pharmacology and

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medicine and those that training really

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served me well in the job that I do now

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I think you're gonna have to go over

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this although I believe Kate and I are

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already know this or listeners don't

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necessarily know it so what you're gonna

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have to go over a little bit is the

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methodology the triple blind way that

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you have tested the mediums oh my gosh

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its quintuple blind

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and it's so complicated but that no one

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who ever tried to sum it up medium

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journalist physician-scientists no one's

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ever got it right that's a complicated

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but first of all I mean just basics what

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do you define as a medium oh that's a

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good place to start so we that's a gap

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and how do we define it versus like what

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is it right yeah because different

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people have different definitions so we

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define a medium as someone who

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experiences regular communication with

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the deceased and we differentiate that

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from psychic as a psychic is a person

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who experiences the ability to obtain

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information about living people or

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distant places or the future or the past

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that they didn't know about but not

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communication with the deceased so the

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the common wisdom is all mediums are

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psychic but not all psychics or mediums

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to at the end of our session here today

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things that come more from the idea you

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know I work as a working psychic so I

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will have some questions from that point

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of view but we're not going to go there

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now simply because I want to make sure

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that our audience understands what

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you've done here and they certainly will

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be interested in the whole idea that it

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it was impossible for any information to

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be given to the medium other than the

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name of the deceased person so if you'll

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go into your quadruple when when topple

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just yeah which we've done our best to

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try and control for all the normal

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explanations that could be put forth as

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right about a dead person oh well it was

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just this so we've tried to account for

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all of those it was just this

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explanations so the first thing that we

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addressed was what's called cold reading

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where the medium reads cues subconscious

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or not from the living person getting

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the reading is called the sitter so the

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medium can read cues from the sitter

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even things like pupil dilation and

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inhales and things like that and to sort

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of steer and fabricate and accurate

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reading

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so in our protocol the medium doesn't

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have any contact with the sitter so it's

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we do telephone readings we have a team

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of about 20 mediums that we work with

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research mediums and I've never even

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been in the same room as some of them

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because we do all of our research on the

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phone so just me and the medium are on

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the phone and all we have is the first

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name of a deceased person and that the

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name is required the understanding is

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the name is required because the medium

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needs some sort of nugget to begin to

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know what to focus on and there's also

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the issue of the sitter by giving us the

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name gives us permission to talk to

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their deceased loved one so there's a

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lot of sort of intentional components to

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all of this so we get the first name of

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the deceased person from someone else

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like Mark there's three people there's

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three experimenters so usually then mark

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will send me a first name of a deceased

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person and then I get on the phone with

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like uh counterbalance and all that sort

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of stuff so then I give I get on the

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phone with medium I give the median the

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first name and then I ask her five

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questions about that deceased person so

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I say what did the person look like in

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their physical I describe their

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personality what were their hobbies

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their activities how did they die

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and do they have any specific messages

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for the absent sitter and so in this in

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this protocol I serve as what's called

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the proxy sitter so I don't know

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anything about the sitter I don't know

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anything about the deceased person so I

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can't cue the medium I can't leak any

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information intentionally or not because

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I don't have any information and then we

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transcribe that reading and then the

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medium does another reading exactly the

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same for a different deceased person

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that we transcribe

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that we put it into an itemized list

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we're like because a medium might say I

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think she had sort of red hair and we

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like you can't score that as true or

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false right so we say she had red hair

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we changed all of the statements to

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concrete statements and then the sitter

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scores each item in the readings and

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they give the overall reading a global

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score and they are they've they're given

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two readings and then they pick which

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one they think is there so they received

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two blinded readings one that was for

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their dead person and one that was for a

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different deceased person and they don't

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know which is which so this protocol in

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total controls for cold reading which

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includes information so general it could

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apply to anyone because we asked those

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specific questions it controls her radar

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bias it addresses radar bias because

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they're given two readings so if the

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personality of the sitter is someone

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that they're gonna score everything as

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correct then they'll score both things

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as correct and what we're looking for in

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the data is the difference between the

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two that's and it's not we don't have

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like a level that we go okay this is

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good no we look statistically at the

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difference between the two and so I like

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I said it controls for cueing and

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because there no one has any information

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that can be leaked the person that gives

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the readings to the sitter for scoring

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is a third experimenter so that person

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doesn't know which reading is which when

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they talk to the and it's all over email

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it's very controlled like a lot of times

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film companies will wanna like oh we

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want to document the protocol wreck

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oh no and it's so boring because no

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one's in the same place at the same time

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everyone it's all like printed and on

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email like it's not visually sexy at all

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but it's very well scientifically

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controlled and it's very interesting to

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me I don't know about sexy but

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interesting for sure and what are you

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what are your results so we did that

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with twenty mediums we did 58 readings

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and we publish a paper in 2015 with

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those results and it they were

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statistically significant that the that

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the whole

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eating score the item-by-item scores and

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the pic which reading is yours data were

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all statistically significant so that

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the blinded sitters gave their own

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readings higher scores than someone

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else's reading without knowing which was

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which and the mediums are mostly women

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yes and we recently did a survey study

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where we and where we surveyed a bunch

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of Americans and mediums and non mediums

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and we from the population that we had

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access to the memes were 90% female but

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so was the control group so really

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worked out well because then we could

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compare all the data because a lot of

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times you can go over all these mediums

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score this on this test and it's really

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difficult to comparison to norms like

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published norms because published norms

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usually are 50 percent male 50 percent

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female but mediums are 90% female so how

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do you compare that to published norms

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you can't so you collect your own quote

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norms from non mediums which is what we

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did who were also 90 percent female

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strangely the public mediums the stage

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medium some of whom I assume are

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magicians but some of whom may have some

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element of psychic credibility on the

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other hand most of them are men right so

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that's right because and I've ruled the

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world for so long so yeah I don't think

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that's necessarily but yeah what we're

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finding is like on the ground

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90% of mediums are female at least

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American mediums yes do you think that

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maybe socially it's a little bit a lot

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more acceptable for a woman to be a

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medium than a man oh yeah I think that's

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why like we have a psychologist on our

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team Chad Mosier and he someone asked

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him that question he said he's a

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clinical psychologist and he said that's

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like asking why are there more men

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chemists yeah because it was more

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acceptable for them to do that like it's

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not perhaps

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as socially acceptable for men to become

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mediums publicly to become mediums as it

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is for women you know in one of your

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talks dr. by shal you gave an analogy

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about testing mediums to playing

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football on a baseball field underwater

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or something like that can you can you

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get that again I think that would really

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give us studying mediumship when you

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trying to do it the way you think

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mediumship would work is like studying

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football on a baseball field using the

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rules for hockey and basketball

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equipment or something like that you

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have to instead if you really want to

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study it you have to study it as close

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to as it exists in nature so an optimal

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research environment so that if the

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phenomenon exists it can show itself so

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you need optimal research environment

448
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but then too you need maximum controls

449
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so you need to address all the other

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explanations for what it can be but if

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you try and if you want to study

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football you have to use a football

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field you have to use football equipment

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and now you can study football you can't

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put football players on it a night like

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an ice hockey rink and then go they

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can't do it we disproved hockey no you

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did I love that analogy really I just

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cracked up when I heard it well I think

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one of the nice things about your work

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is a lot of people would say well you

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know it's interesting and you know so

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what but you really make the point at

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what you're doing with your work is to

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give a lot of people relief to calm down

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in hospice situations to help people

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through that horrible situation and I

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think that's really very very valuable

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and and a good thing that you're doing

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thank you and we we regularly come back

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to the question when we're designing

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studies of so what right because there's

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lots of thing like we have this queen of

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an MRI let us take a medium in like well

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wait what's the research question and

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then you have to start there because

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there's lots of cool things that we can

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do but we have limited

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resources a limited time and we need to

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systematically go to the next research

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question that you know what what is the

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next answer weed and yeah the at the end

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of the day it's how can this alleviate

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suffering right that's the mission of

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the whimpered Research Center is to

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alleviate suffering around dying death

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and what comes next

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so by normalizing mediumship as yeah

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this is something that happens people

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have this experience it this you know

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it's multimodal they smell and hear and

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taste and feel things from the deceased

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person like oh okay

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then it normalizes that as an experience

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and it's not weird anymore and the same

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thing goes for spontaneous after death

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communication experiences that people

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have with their that they have

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themselves with their deceased person

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those are normal and regular and to be

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expected to and and just knowing that

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alleviate suffering because then people

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don't think they're going crazy because

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they've you know felt their deceased

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husband in the bed next to them one

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night yeah that happens and it's not

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weird and you're not crazy and so that's

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the kind of thing that's our mission is

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to get that information out into the

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world

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that's very worthwhile and and to that

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point obviously you're gonna need

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thank you so much you're welcome again a

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very worthwhile cause very much so

540
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so we're talking here about survival

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versus something else right I mean there

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are people who have posited that what

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actually happens you know may or may not

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be survival of some sort but that often

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the mediums might get some information

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through normal psychic means I believe

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you use the words a psychic reservoir

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and super sigh correct well the this it

549
00:25:35,610 --> 00:25:32,770
gets really messy and we recently

550
00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:35,620
published a paper yeah historically the

551
00:25:39,389 --> 00:25:37,480
two theories about where mediums get

552
00:25:41,970 --> 00:25:39,399
their information because no matter how

553
00:25:44,430 --> 00:25:41,980
much accuracy data under blinded

554
00:25:46,649 --> 00:25:44,440
conditions you collect you can never

555
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:46,659
figure out where the data came from

556
00:25:50,430 --> 00:25:48,850
where the information came from if the

557
00:25:51,570 --> 00:25:50,440
dead person tells the medium about

558
00:25:53,549 --> 00:25:51,580
something that's going to happen in the

559
00:25:55,649 --> 00:25:53,559
future you can say oh that's called

560
00:25:57,149 --> 00:25:55,659
precognition if you say oh the sitter

561
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:57,159
didn't know it but then they had to

562
00:26:00,080 --> 00:25:58,330
check with their family members yeah

563
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:00,090
that's called telepathy or clairvoyance

564
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:03,520
so no matter what a medium says it can

565
00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:06,240
always be sort of explained away as

566
00:26:11,789 --> 00:26:09,820
normal a sigh word that doesn't involve

567
00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:11,799
a dead person so we used to call those

568
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:17,110
two things the the one theory that a

569
00:26:21,450 --> 00:26:19,090
medium is talking to a dead person is

570
00:26:23,610 --> 00:26:21,460
called survival sigh and the alternative

571
00:26:24,930 --> 00:26:23,620
theory that the medium is not talking to

572
00:26:26,970 --> 00:26:24,940
a dead person and getting their

573
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:26,980
information some other psychic way is

574
00:26:34,529 --> 00:26:30,130
called cymatics i but we recently did a

575
00:26:38,430 --> 00:26:34,539
study where we had a hundred and twenty

576
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:38,440
two mediums describe their experiences

577
00:26:43,230 --> 00:26:41,440
when receiving mediumistic information

578
00:26:46,170 --> 00:26:43,240
from a dead person and then

579
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:46,180
their experiences when receiving when

580
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:47,530
getting psychic information about a

581
00:26:54,410 --> 00:26:49,930
living person and again counterbalanced

582
00:26:57,420 --> 00:26:54,420
and all that stuff and we found that

583
00:27:00,330 --> 00:26:57,430
sometimes in in getting information

584
00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:00,340
about the living the person the medium

585
00:27:05,010 --> 00:27:02,710
will experience it as communication from

586
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:05,020
the deceased so the there historically

587
00:27:09,090 --> 00:27:06,760
there's been this theory like oh no

588
00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:09,100
they're getting information about the

589
00:27:16,580 --> 00:27:11,500
dead from the living and then this new

590
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:16,590
finding implies no no they're also or

591
00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:20,290
instead getting information about the

592
00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:23,710
living from the dead so it's very like

593
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:26,310
the lines are now blurred historically

594
00:27:31,050 --> 00:27:29,440
like in the beginning of the SPR the

595
00:27:33,450 --> 00:27:31,060
Society for psychical research in the

596
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:33,460
1880s most of the mediums that they

597
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:36,880
studied went into full trance and they

598
00:27:41,730 --> 00:27:38,770
didn't have any conscious recollection

599
00:27:44,700 --> 00:27:41,740
of the reading after it was over today

600
00:27:47,130 --> 00:27:44,710
the medium stay for the most part fully

601
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:47,140
conscious and we can ask them to

602
00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:49,210
describe their experiences and when we

603
00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:51,880
did that they said oh no I totally can

604
00:27:55,140 --> 00:27:52,980
tell the difference between

605
00:27:57,060 --> 00:27:55,150
communication from a deceased person and

606
00:27:59,010 --> 00:27:57,070
getting psychic information about a

607
00:28:02,040 --> 00:27:59,020
living person it feels totally different

608
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:02,050
I have fun so okay I didn't mean to stop

609
00:28:06,660 --> 00:28:03,850
you I thought I wanted to ask you a few

610
00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:06,670
questions in about those those different

611
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:09,190
things but I did I interrupt you so

612
00:28:17,030 --> 00:28:13,930
mazing well okay so we have the idea of

613
00:28:19,950 --> 00:28:17,040
survival and then we have psychic

614
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:19,960
reservoir Akashic record sort of stuff

615
00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:22,690
and the other idea of super SCI or what

616
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:25,240
you said somatic sigh and how it's kind

617
00:28:29,010 --> 00:28:27,370
of blurred the first question that I

618
00:28:31,050 --> 00:28:29,020
have to ask about that and I'm not sure

619
00:28:35,900 --> 00:28:31,060
whether it was you I think it wasn't you

620
00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:35,910
but one of your associates who did a an

621
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:38,860
experiment and found out that different

622
00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:43,570
parts of the brain were being used we we

623
00:28:49,860 --> 00:28:47,200
did an EEG study yes with with six

624
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:49,870
winned bridge mediums maybe five sorry

625
00:28:53,490 --> 00:28:51,970
we did a blood like a hematology study

626
00:28:55,050 --> 00:28:53,500
too and one of them at five and one of

627
00:28:56,830 --> 00:28:55,060
them at six and I never can remember

628
00:28:59,649 --> 00:28:56,840
which was which but we didn't eat

629
00:29:03,940 --> 00:28:59,659
study with at least five mediums and we

630
00:29:09,310 --> 00:29:03,950
had them consciously enter different

631
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:09,320
mental states and so they one was invite

632
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:12,650
like before the experiment we said talk

633
00:29:16,090 --> 00:29:13,970
to someone in your family someone

634
00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:16,100
deceased and really invite them to come

635
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:17,630
and talk to you during our experiment

636
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:19,370
because it had a sort of be like that it

637
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:21,679
sort of turn it on and off yes and so

638
00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:23,450
that was one of the conditions

639
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:25,940
communication then there was one called

640
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:27,890
fabrication where we said make up a

641
00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:29,809
person and think about that person then

642
00:29:34,330 --> 00:29:32,270
we said recollection think about a

643
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:34,340
living person you know and think about

644
00:29:39,639 --> 00:29:37,850
them and then perception I'm gonna read

645
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:39,649
you some information out loud you're

646
00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:41,090
gonna listen to me talk about a person

647
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:42,860
and then we took their EEG during those

648
00:29:49,630 --> 00:29:46,880
four conditions and communication looked

649
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:49,640
different than the other three it most

650
00:29:54,340 --> 00:29:52,610
looked like perception and so it most

651
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,350
looks like listening someone but it

652
00:29:59,880 --> 00:29:56,720
didn't look anything like fabrication

653
00:30:02,560 --> 00:29:59,890
like making something up imagination or

654
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:02,570
recollection well that's that's very

655
00:30:11,139 --> 00:30:07,279
very interesting so as going back to the

656
00:30:13,659 --> 00:30:11,149
survival versus a super sigh or psychic

657
00:30:16,899 --> 00:30:13,669
reservoir Akashic record I sort of think

658
00:30:19,180 --> 00:30:16,909
that psychic reservoir and super sigh

659
00:30:21,159 --> 00:30:19,190
come down to the same thing I mean you

660
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,169
could define it differently but the

661
00:30:27,730 --> 00:30:23,840
information is coming from outside the

662
00:30:32,529 --> 00:30:27,740
person somehow through some form of

663
00:30:35,649 --> 00:30:32,539
telepathy or sigh and then there is the

664
00:30:38,860 --> 00:30:35,659
idea of it being that you someone is

665
00:30:44,019 --> 00:30:38,870
actually speaking to the personality of

666
00:30:50,049 --> 00:30:44,029
the disc Arnot of former human yes yeah

667
00:30:53,649 --> 00:30:50,059
we're in broad strokes yes so i because

668
00:30:57,010 --> 00:30:53,659
i play in the periphery of this this

669
00:31:00,639 --> 00:30:57,020
situation I have a third option I know I

670
00:31:05,010 --> 00:31:00,649
hate binary options that's just me but

671
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:05,020
the third option what if an ever

672
00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:08,960
incarnate being somebody who some being

673
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:11,100
that is never been

674
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:16,049
a human who is not trapped in time is

675
00:31:22,970 --> 00:31:20,730
able to emulate the person of and the

676
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:22,980
reason why I ask I know it sounds far

677
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:28,110
out but as Kate can connect a trickster

678
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:30,240
theory the trickster type of thing which

679
00:31:37,070 --> 00:31:34,410
often comes up with UFO aliens that sort

680
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:37,080
of thing where you're given some

681
00:31:42,980 --> 00:31:40,200
information some people who purportedly

682
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:42,990
are abducted in UFOs and I know this is

683
00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:46,260
very far out but bear with me uh they

684
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:48,360
let me let me interrupt you because I

685
00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:51,450
cannot speak to this per se because this

686
00:31:58,100 --> 00:31:55,020
is not something that I study so as all

687
00:32:00,110 --> 00:31:58,110
I know is the empirical research right

688
00:32:02,750 --> 00:32:00,120
the empirical data that I've collected

689
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:02,760
under these very controlled readings

690
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:04,140
where I give a name and I asked five

691
00:32:08,419 --> 00:32:06,120
questions and that's blended and compare

692
00:32:10,850 --> 00:32:08,429
it to the other one so I don't know what

693
00:32:13,580 --> 00:32:10,860
happens what else there is but it does

694
00:32:16,700 --> 00:32:13,590
speak to just that all the gray area

695
00:32:18,140 --> 00:32:16,710
right we're talking about like my medium

696
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:18,150
is on my team this data that I've

697
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:19,860
collected and published it's deceased

698
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:21,809
people people that used to be alive

699
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:23,970
people and now our deceased people and

700
00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:27,480
so but you know our mediums talk about

701
00:32:33,980 --> 00:32:31,320
like the idea of guides right like where

702
00:32:35,390 --> 00:32:33,990
do they fall are they deceased people or

703
00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:35,400
is there something else and like you're

704
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:37,620
saying there's all kinds of other beings

705
00:32:42,289 --> 00:32:39,690
and where do they fall and like most

706
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:42,299
things it's probably a spectrum there's

707
00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:45,690
a binary categorization of things does

708
00:32:53,470 --> 00:32:48,659
not reflect reality and I think it's

709
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:53,480
dangerous to put these terminology this

710
00:32:58,460 --> 00:32:56,250
vocabulary on these different

711
00:33:01,010 --> 00:32:58,470
experiences because it implies we

712
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:01,020
understand how this stuff works and we

713
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:03,450
don't exactly and so by naming it

714
00:33:08,419 --> 00:33:05,730
implies that this is a real thing like

715
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:08,429
super Saiya is not a real thing it is a

716
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:11,130
philosophical conjecture no one's ever

717
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:13,710
you can't demonstrate it in the lab no

718
00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:15,480
one's ever shown it it's just an idea

719
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:17,700
right it gets thrown around like it's a

720
00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:20,010
real thing but it's not a real thing so

721
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:21,960
what we have to do as good scientists as

722
00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:23,850
good researchers we have to follow the

723
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:24,750
data and

724
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:26,970
data say that the two experiences are

725
00:33:30,890 --> 00:33:29,010
different psychic information about a

726
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:30,900
living person and communication from the

727
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,130
deceased are distinguishable experiences

728
00:33:39,260 --> 00:33:36,960
and we have to just run with that that's

729
00:33:42,910 --> 00:33:39,270
what we know the same way that most of

730
00:33:45,260 --> 00:33:42,920
what we can know about pain or love or

731
00:33:46,820 --> 00:33:45,270
things like that are only from what

732
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,830
someone can tell us about them

733
00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:49,200
you can't take a meter and measure love

734
00:33:55,820 --> 00:33:52,140
or measure pain and you can't measure

735
00:34:00,380 --> 00:33:55,830
sigh yet there's no meter yet so we have

736
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:00,390
to just rely on descriptions that the

737
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:01,410
person who's having those experiences

738
00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:09,690
can give us okay that's that's fine no I

739
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:12,590
didn't really want to speak about UFOs

740
00:34:20,030 --> 00:34:16,110
actually what I was saying as an as an

741
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:20,040
example for a discarnate entity that was

742
00:34:27,860 --> 00:34:23,760
never embodied as a human on the earth I

743
00:34:30,290 --> 00:34:27,870
was using that as an example of some

744
00:34:32,990 --> 00:34:30,300
where where that exists but you were

745
00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:33,000
very correct in saying that those

746
00:34:41,060 --> 00:34:36,780
mediums who have guides many of them

747
00:34:44,090 --> 00:34:41,070
will tell the medium that or the the the

748
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:44,100
the person contacting those guides that

749
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:47,010
they were you know once Mork from Zork

750
00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:49,050
or something and and I'm not making fun

751
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:50,580
of it's just the first thing that came

752
00:34:54,919 --> 00:34:52,379
into my mind I'm not making fun of the

753
00:34:57,590 --> 00:34:54,929
name up there there guy but they will

754
00:35:02,560 --> 00:34:57,600
tell the person that they are really

755
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,570
Pleiadians or like that right right

756
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:05,280
words again some people will use the

757
00:35:11,540 --> 00:35:08,010
word angel like does that it doesn't

758
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:11,550
mean is that biblical angel right like

759
00:35:16,660 --> 00:35:14,490
these are all terms but we don't we it's

760
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:16,670
all gray area we don't really know

761
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:19,770
exactly what we're ever talking about

762
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:22,050
until to like speak authoritative ly

763
00:35:25,070 --> 00:35:23,970
about this is this and this happens here

764
00:35:27,110 --> 00:35:25,080
like no exactly

765
00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:27,120
we can't do that that's that's

766
00:35:34,220 --> 00:35:29,700
irresponsible I just say the others

767
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:34,230
whoever the others may be but you know

768
00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:38,460
with these your team of mediums to

769
00:35:42,290 --> 00:35:40,920
- they ever I mean just to get down to

770
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:42,300
the nitty-gritty here did they ever

771
00:35:50,089 --> 00:35:45,540
contact a person who has been deceased

772
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,099
and you had I'm not going to say proof

773
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:53,040
but you had a lot of data that was

774
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:56,730
collected that coincided with his her

775
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,720
living being yeah this this paper that

776
00:36:06,380 --> 00:36:02,640
we published in 2015

777
00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:06,390
58 readings were scored with those five

778
00:36:12,319 --> 00:36:09,540
questions and they were the reading for

779
00:36:14,839 --> 00:36:12,329
the deceased person that the of the

780
00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:14,849
sitters got scored as more accurate than

781
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,430
just like the the random control reading

782
00:36:20,839 --> 00:36:18,720
from the other person that had no

783
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:20,849
relation to them so that it did

784
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:23,520
demonstrate what we call anomalous

785
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:27,000
information reception which is the the

786
00:36:32,450 --> 00:36:29,609
conveying of inaccurate and specific

787
00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:32,460
information about a deceased person that

788
00:36:38,540 --> 00:36:35,640
could not be acquired through fraud and

789
00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:38,550
or feedback like we don't the medium

790
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:40,140
can't doesn't get any feedback during

791
00:36:43,849 --> 00:36:42,420
the reading because the who was gonna

792
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:43,859
give it to her right where it's just me

793
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:47,490
and her around the phone or with any

794
00:36:50,839 --> 00:36:49,200
prior knowledge about either the sitter

795
00:36:53,230 --> 00:36:50,849
or the decease for hit beyond that first

796
00:36:56,329 --> 00:36:53,240
name and we don't even give mediums

797
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:56,339
feedback after the scoring takes place

798
00:37:01,849 --> 00:36:58,170
we don't tell them like this is how you

799
00:37:05,660 --> 00:37:01,859
did because that addresses the theory

800
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,670
that they're using precognition to look

801
00:37:09,260 --> 00:37:07,440
into the future of when we tell them how

802
00:37:12,170 --> 00:37:09,270
they did on the reading in order to give

803
00:37:14,539 --> 00:37:12,180
the reading so we there are we never

804
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:14,549
give the mediums feedback about accuracy

805
00:37:20,349 --> 00:37:17,579
data ever so what you really have to do

806
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:20,359
you've you've got it tough in two ways

807
00:37:31,099 --> 00:37:25,470
because not only are you perhaps trying

808
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:31,109
to convince people who are debunkers let

809
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,089
us say as opposed to skeptics that

810
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:35,280
they're just they're just materialists

811
00:37:39,799 --> 00:37:37,710
debunkers you not only are trying to

812
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:39,809
convince those individuals as best you

813
00:37:45,410 --> 00:37:41,940
can but you need to convince other

814
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:45,420
people within the within the research

815
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:48,240
the parapsychological research group who

816
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,940
can come in and say anything is

817
00:37:56,740 --> 00:37:52,320
telepathy

818
00:38:00,110 --> 00:37:56,750
or a precognition or one of the other

819
00:38:01,940 --> 00:38:00,120
sort of psychic skills well I'm not

820
00:38:05,180 --> 00:38:01,950
trying to convince anyone of anything

821
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:05,190
okay I'm an empirical researcher and I

822
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:07,050
collect the data and I draw conclusions

823
00:38:13,580 --> 00:38:09,930
based on the data collected and then I

824
00:38:15,170 --> 00:38:13,590
publish that and that's the that's how

825
00:38:17,180 --> 00:38:15,180
science works and that scientific

826
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:17,190
dissemination of knowledge and what

827
00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:18,690
people do with that is totally up to

828
00:38:22,070 --> 00:38:20,220
them that's not my job

829
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:22,080
I'm not trying to get rid anything

830
00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:23,370
anyone of anything

831
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:26,040
I'm just doing my job as a scientist and

832
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:29,130
and they help part the helping people

833
00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:34,290
with their grief how how is that coming

834
00:38:43,460 --> 00:38:38,040
into the picture for you now with the

835
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:43,470
the new Research Center so we have three

836
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:46,170
research programs and they're codenamed

837
00:38:51,620 --> 00:38:49,260
information operation application so the

838
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,630
information research program looks at

839
00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:53,760
the accuracy and specificity of the

840
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:55,710
information that mediums report the

841
00:39:01,820 --> 00:38:58,170
operation research program looks at

842
00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:01,830
their psychology like their personality

843
00:39:08,180 --> 00:39:05,670
characteristics their physiology and

844
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,190
their phenomenology which is a fancy

845
00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:10,320
word for experiences and then the

846
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:12,270
application research program looks at

847
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:15,530
the practical social applications for

848
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:19,040
mediumship readings including in

849
00:39:25,580 --> 00:39:21,090
assistance with finding missing persons

850
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:25,590
or helping with law enforcement

851
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:28,380
investigations and then the potential

852
00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:30,180
application and mediumship readings in

853
00:39:34,850 --> 00:39:32,280
the treatment of grief and so we've

854
00:39:35,780 --> 00:39:34,860
written about that there's free

855
00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:35,790
factsheets

856
00:39:44,030 --> 00:39:41,220
on our website about mediumship readings

857
00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:44,040
and grief and what sitters should know

858
00:39:50,060 --> 00:39:47,310
before they get a reading and we have it

859
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:50,070
the data there isn't data yet we're

860
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:51,810
still in the process of collecting the

861
00:39:57,140 --> 00:39:54,930
data using a standard I've standardized

862
00:40:01,690 --> 00:39:57,150
grief instrument and using control

863
00:40:04,850 --> 00:40:01,700
groups and methodologically sound

864
00:40:06,020 --> 00:40:04,860
research to look is receiving a

865
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,030
mediumship reading hell

866
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:08,400
full harmful or neither and we don't

867
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:10,320
have that data yet but we're trying to

868
00:40:14,930 --> 00:40:12,810
we're trying to finish up that data

869
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:14,940
collection and get to the bottom of that

870
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:16,970
question because there might be certain

871
00:40:21,110 --> 00:40:19,440
segments of the grieving population that

872
00:40:22,610 --> 00:40:21,120
it works for and there may be segments

873
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:22,620
that it doesn't or there may be the

874
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:25,890
perfect time after the death to wait and

875
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:28,770
so we have to there's so much to learn

876
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:32,690
about that anecdotally it looks like

877
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,520
people have very profound experiences

878
00:40:40,610 --> 00:40:37,920
after receiving a mediumship reading and

879
00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:40,620
and it falls well within the current

880
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:43,140
model of grief which is called

881
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,160
continuing bonds which is you don't they

882
00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:50,160
used to think like in the 50s to get

883
00:40:53,870 --> 00:40:52,020
over your grief you have to let go you

884
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:53,880
have to you have to accept the

885
00:40:57,650 --> 00:40:56,160
permanence of the loss and that was the

886
00:41:00,410 --> 00:40:57,660
helping people no one was feeling any

887
00:41:02,690 --> 00:41:00,420
better so in the 80s they sort of came

888
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:02,700
up with this new theory and it's sort of

889
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,900
gaining footing that you don't need to

890
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:08,400
accept the permanence of the loss you

891
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:10,290
need to accept that your relationship is

892
00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:13,290
now different so it went from one in the

893
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:15,780
physical to one in the spiritual and

894
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,490
receiving a mediumship reading

895
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:19,440
demonstrates that it demonstrates that

896
00:41:25,690 --> 00:41:22,020
you still have a relationship with the

897
00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:25,700
deceased person just not physically and

898
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:28,200
spontaneous after death communication

899
00:41:33,590 --> 00:41:30,330
experiences also demonstrate that those

900
00:41:36,770 --> 00:41:33,600
are also really helpful for alleviating

901
00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:36,780
suffering around grief but they're

902
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:41,160
spontaneous so you can't really create

903
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:43,170
them or make them happen I am working on

904
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:46,200
a system that's anecdotal I guess you

905
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:48,060
have to go with anecdotes on that yeah

906
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:50,490
yeah but you know Rupert Sheldrake says

907
00:41:57,020 --> 00:41:54,650
the the plural of anecdote is data okay

908
00:41:58,940 --> 00:41:57,030
enough people say that like it's that's

909
00:42:01,990 --> 00:41:58,950
a real thing now so but we are true

910
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:02,000
bringing it into the lab and we're using

911
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,770
established grief instruments like put a

912
00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:07,200
numerical value on the level of grief

913
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:08,460
and that sort of thing to really like

914
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,640
look at it quantitatively if the effect

915
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:13,920
on grief well that's a lot of fun okay

916
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:15,900
well just as a totally unrelated

917
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:18,450
question in a sense I don't know if you

918
00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:19,410
heard the background

919
00:42:30,670 --> 00:42:22,980
barking but have you had okay this is

920
00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:34,460
yeah we we were noticing and that fifth

921
00:42:38,569 --> 00:42:36,630
question does the deceased person have

922
00:42:40,670 --> 00:42:38,579
any messages specifically for the sitter

923
00:42:43,220 --> 00:42:40,680
uh-huh we often found that they were

924
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,230
saying oh he wants you to know he has a

925
00:42:51,620 --> 00:42:45,359
little white dog with him yeah really

926
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:51,630
and so we started a study where instead

927
00:42:55,460 --> 00:42:53,369
of a deceased person we did the same

928
00:42:57,859 --> 00:42:55,470
exact protocol except it was a deceased

929
00:43:02,510 --> 00:42:57,869
animal and because animal names often

930
00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:02,520
are very give a lot of weight about the

931
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,140
animal we didn't use the animal's name

932
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:07,920
we used the sitter's first name and it

933
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:09,690
also showed positive results but we

934
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:12,210
found that it was really difficult to

935
00:43:20,059 --> 00:43:15,569
work with those sitters because oddly

936
00:43:23,809 --> 00:43:20,069
are not oddly having had animals those

937
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,819
people were suffering so much more than

938
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:26,160
the people who lost living people who

939
00:43:31,789 --> 00:43:29,940
lost people that would be really

940
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:31,799
difficult to like continue with the

941
00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:33,119
study because we were like because we

942
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:34,950
can't promise them that they're gonna

943
00:43:40,579 --> 00:43:37,529
hear from their loved one and we you

944
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:40,589
know it was it was very difficult to to

945
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:41,940
keep going with the study but the

946
00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:43,740
initial data that we did collect was

947
00:43:49,849 --> 00:43:47,640
similarly statistically significant like

948
00:43:52,220 --> 00:43:49,859
the people data was it was the same it

949
00:43:57,140 --> 00:43:52,230
was similarly significant for the

950
00:43:59,359 --> 00:43:57,150
animals well that's good good the line

951
00:44:01,220 --> 00:43:59,369
of people waiting to ask me a question

952
00:44:03,019 --> 00:44:01,230
after that presentation went out the

953
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,029
door and people came up to me all

954
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:05,760
afternoon you know scientists and

955
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:08,130
physicists and clinicians came up to me

956
00:44:15,260 --> 00:44:11,520
and cried and were thanking me for this

957
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:15,270
for letting them believe that their dead

958
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:18,210
animal they is in the world still that

959
00:44:22,730 --> 00:44:20,670
consciousness also exists so it's very

960
00:44:26,589 --> 00:44:22,740
important to people and that's another

961
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:26,599
that is another topic that we will

962
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:31,260
provide educational materials around in

963
00:44:36,590 --> 00:44:33,420
order to alleviate suffering

964
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:36,600
join our email list yes they're up there

965
00:44:42,410 --> 00:44:40,020
what email is that if you go to win

966
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:42,420
bridge org there's a join our email list

967
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:45,000
button and you can join right there and

968
00:44:52,030 --> 00:44:48,330
can't contribute too oh yes

969
00:44:57,110 --> 00:44:52,040
and while you're there give a donation

970
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:57,120
well doctor by radio voice yes like

971
00:45:02,210 --> 00:45:00,000
lulling you into giving a donation yes

972
00:45:03,970 --> 00:45:02,220
yes give a donation give them some money

973
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:03,980
they deserve it

974
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:06,960
one thing that I'm sure you've heard

975
00:45:11,570 --> 00:45:09,060
innumerable times

976
00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:11,580
I certainly have I don't want to go to

977
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:14,070
heaven if my dog isn't there or my cat

978
00:45:21,020 --> 00:45:18,960
or my fish I mean and all kinds of

979
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:21,030
animals have come through spontaneously

980
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:24,930
you know tarantulas birds goldfish all

981
00:45:30,070 --> 00:45:26,850
kinds of animals have come through

982
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:30,080
spontaneously to mediums on my team so

983
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:32,940
it there's compelling evidence that

984
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,060
consciousness is the saint I don't

985
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:37,680
remember who said it conscious is the

986
00:45:42,170 --> 00:45:39,240
same in all living creatures although

987
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:42,180
the body of each is different yeah we

988
00:45:45,380 --> 00:45:43,440
had a calendar that was one of the

989
00:45:48,830 --> 00:45:45,390
quotes and I don't remember who said it

990
00:45:50,990 --> 00:45:48,840
um but that yeah like why would it be

991
00:45:54,140 --> 00:45:51,000
any different everything else is similar

992
00:45:58,340 --> 00:45:54,150
why would that you know and then the

993
00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:58,350
Stephen Jay Gould quote of the at the

994
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:02,400
heart of every scientific progression is

995
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,310
the discernment of human arrogance from

996
00:46:09,710 --> 00:46:07,440
one Hetzel after another like we are not

997
00:46:12,260 --> 00:46:09,720
and about our centrality in the cosmos

998
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:12,270
like no we're not the end-all be-all

999
00:46:18,620 --> 00:46:15,810
like no you know often people will say

1000
00:46:21,380 --> 00:46:18,630
oh what differentiates people from

1001
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,390
animals is tools no animals have schools

1002
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:24,000
is emotion nope animals have emotion so

1003
00:46:28,730 --> 00:46:26,370
whatever we think of no they do it too

1004
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:28,740
so why would that you know people say oh

1005
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:30,810
spirituality like you don't have any

1006
00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:33,660
data that says your dog isn't talking to

1007
00:46:41,660 --> 00:46:36,060
God every minute that's right you know

1008
00:46:44,060 --> 00:46:41,670
what dog spelled backwards is again one

1009
00:46:46,099 --> 00:46:44,070
it's very dangerous to speak with great

1010
00:46:48,739 --> 00:46:46,109
authority of like we know

1011
00:46:51,859 --> 00:46:48,749
this or this can't be right this is how

1012
00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:51,869
this works no we don't know anything

1013
00:46:56,269 --> 00:46:53,880
about anything at the end of the day and

1014
00:46:59,089 --> 00:46:56,279
so what you're saying is this is huge

1015
00:47:01,970 --> 00:46:59,099
sea of knowledge or consciousness or

1016
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:01,980
again that's a hard word to describe er

1017
00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:05,249
you know to just define but information

1018
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:08,339
but whatever it's out there and so

1019
00:47:13,940 --> 00:47:10,710
different being sort of pop in and out

1020
00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:13,950
of it good well there's even sort of a

1021
00:47:19,489 --> 00:47:16,380
different the idea it says now that

1022
00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:19,499
everything is conscious to some extent

1023
00:47:25,759 --> 00:47:22,140
it would write from this microphone to

1024
00:47:30,279 --> 00:47:25,769
the desk to the ground just find energy

1025
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:30,289
that's correct we will see we do have a

1026
00:47:37,370 --> 00:47:34,049
question from our listener Ellen Merritt

1027
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:37,380
and she wants to know if it's possible

1028
00:47:44,989 --> 00:47:41,970
to ask a medium simply if anyone has a

1029
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:44,999
message for you in other words if you

1030
00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:47,249
went to a medium and you just wanted to

1031
00:47:52,819 --> 00:47:50,430
say I want to know if anybody in the

1032
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:52,829
great beyond has a message for me and

1033
00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:55,410
what would happen then definitely I

1034
00:48:01,819 --> 00:47:57,720
think yeah definitely you can do that I

1035
00:48:03,799 --> 00:48:01,829
think a lot of mediums will sort of

1036
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:03,809
start the session and say okay I do

1037
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:05,970
psychic readings in which I can talk

1038
00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:08,910
about the future and your you know and

1039
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:11,400
give you guidance on your own life or I

1040
00:48:15,319 --> 00:48:13,249
can talk I can do mediumistic

1041
00:48:17,569 --> 00:48:15,329
communication and receive messages from

1042
00:48:19,609 --> 00:48:17,579
your loved ones which one do you want to

1043
00:48:21,890 --> 00:48:19,619
do and some people say both and the

1044
00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:21,900
medium does one and then she does the

1045
00:48:26,299 --> 00:48:23,880
other and you know and she switches

1046
00:48:27,769 --> 00:48:26,309
gears or you could say one and the

1047
00:48:30,259 --> 00:48:27,779
medium will concentrate on doing that

1048
00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:30,269
one so no you don't need to the less

1049
00:48:33,529 --> 00:48:32,700
information you give a medium the better

1050
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:33,539
for everyone

1051
00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:37,710
mm-hmm so the by by saying hey give me

1052
00:48:41,269 --> 00:48:39,630
some messages that's probably the best

1053
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:41,279
way you can do it because you've given

1054
00:48:50,049 --> 00:48:45,359
the medium no information yeah I'm sure

1055
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:53,450
the I guess I want to speak a little bit

1056
00:49:01,900 --> 00:48:57,839
to the idea of mediums having more

1057
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:05,329
autoimmune illnesses and I wanted to ask

1058
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:08,730
you if you had ever read the book by

1059
00:49:15,769 --> 00:49:12,329
Bell Ruth 'nope r-spec who is primarily

1060
00:49:20,359 --> 00:49:15,779
a psychic I believe but wrote an amazing

1061
00:49:22,910 --> 00:49:20,369
book on the the different qualities that

1062
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:22,920
people who do psychic work and

1063
00:49:27,740 --> 00:49:25,619
mediumship of the different qualities of

1064
00:49:30,259 --> 00:49:27,750
their personalities often that they're

1065
00:49:33,740 --> 00:49:30,269
survivors of some form of abuse often

1066
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:33,750
they have autoimmune issues often

1067
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:36,720
there's a whole variety of things she

1068
00:49:42,859 --> 00:49:39,420
speaks to I wondered if you ever came

1069
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:42,869
across your sixth sense by Bell Ruth

1070
00:49:48,980 --> 00:49:45,690
'nope r-spec I didn't I'm gonna write it

1071
00:49:50,539 --> 00:49:48,990
down I'm gonna look at that yeah we you

1072
00:49:52,940 --> 00:49:50,549
know the scientific method is making

1073
00:49:54,829 --> 00:49:52,950
observation and then test it right so I

1074
00:49:56,450 --> 00:49:54,839
was observing that the mediums on our

1075
00:49:58,849 --> 00:49:56,460
team they seem to have a lot more

1076
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,859
autoimmune diseases that's someone with

1077
00:50:02,509 --> 00:50:00,720
an autoimmune disease herself I was

1078
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:02,519
recognized like wow you guys as a group

1079
00:50:06,140 --> 00:50:03,839
have a lot more than would be expected

1080
00:50:10,660 --> 00:50:06,150
by chance so when we recently did a

1081
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:10,670
survey study where we got a online

1082
00:50:16,579 --> 00:50:13,980
survey data from about 300 mediums about

1083
00:50:21,319 --> 00:50:16,589
a thousand non mediums we asked them

1084
00:50:23,329 --> 00:50:21,329
about their disease burden and it was

1085
00:50:27,019 --> 00:50:23,339
much higher for the mediums autoimmune

1086
00:50:30,499 --> 00:50:27,029
and other symptoms and then we also

1087
00:50:33,140 --> 00:50:30,509
asked about we had them take a child

1088
00:50:35,900 --> 00:50:33,150
abuse scale and that was also much

1089
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:35,910
higher for the mediums and for the non

1090
00:50:41,839 --> 00:50:37,680
mediums and so I have previously

1091
00:50:44,269 --> 00:50:41,849
presented FS se that it my theory is

1092
00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:44,279
that it isn't mediumship that causes

1093
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:45,240
disease its

1094
00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:48,089
trauma its childhood trauma that causes

1095
00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:51,240
both mediumship and disease because it's

1096
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:52,710
been demonstrated in that in the general

1097
00:50:56,269 --> 00:50:53,490
mainstream

1098
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:56,279
literature just not even mediums anybody

1099
00:51:02,809 --> 00:51:00,559
childhood abuse results in adult disease

1100
00:51:04,789 --> 00:51:02,819
and you're gonna see you're gonna see

1101
00:51:07,309 --> 00:51:04,799
that in any group yeah we just got a

1102
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:07,319
sterling example of that down in Florida

1103
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:11,400
yeah yeah that was a shame i but again

1104
00:51:15,210 --> 00:51:13,210
going back to your

1105
00:51:18,210 --> 00:51:15,220
your studies and immunology which is

1106
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:18,220
again information and just drawing on a

1107
00:51:24,510 --> 00:51:21,010
large pool of outside information like

1108
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:24,520
external information I wonder if if

1109
00:51:29,850 --> 00:51:26,530
maybe there's some connection there to

1110
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:29,860
like their body sort of recognizes one

1111
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:32,290
sort of outside information and a person

1112
00:51:39,090 --> 00:51:35,290
without autoimmune that was my original

1113
00:51:41,610 --> 00:51:39,100
theory was I bet a medium in having so

1114
00:51:43,860 --> 00:51:41,620
many deceased people sort of come

1115
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:43,870
through ruff does her body get confused

1116
00:51:48,270 --> 00:51:46,090
you know that was my original theory but

1117
00:51:50,070 --> 00:51:48,280
this childhood abuse data is so strong

1118
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:50,080
like that's the that's the thing that

1119
00:51:55,260 --> 00:51:52,720
makes the more sense yeah well it

1120
00:51:58,110 --> 00:51:55,270
definitely plays a part I mean you can't

1121
00:52:04,080 --> 00:51:58,120
discount that at all well I I know that

1122
00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:04,090
I suffered for some time with what is it

1123
00:52:13,340 --> 00:52:07,630
called Hashimoto's thyroiditis which is

1124
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:13,350
an autoimmune disease and I was very

1125
00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:16,570
this book by Bell Ruth 'nope arsenic

1126
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:19,270
really made me realize what these things

1127
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:22,450
were going on in my body and I am NOT a

1128
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:25,090
medium I have chosen not to be a medium

1129
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:27,610
I have actively chosen not to be a

1130
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:32,770
medium beneath you okay because I I was

1131
00:52:37,950 --> 00:52:35,530
I was when I was a little child I always

1132
00:52:41,310 --> 00:52:37,960
had beings in my room and I was

1133
00:52:44,310 --> 00:52:41,320
terrified and even as a teenager I had

1134
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:44,320
people come up to me who were had to do

1135
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:47,920
with a woman in England who did

1136
00:52:53,730 --> 00:52:50,890
mediumship a famous woman again whose

1137
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:53,740
name escapes me at the moment but that

1138
00:52:57,870 --> 00:52:56,050
people wanted me to be a medium and I

1139
00:53:00,570 --> 00:52:57,880
tried it a little bit and I found it

1140
00:53:03,060 --> 00:53:00,580
very very unsettling and did not feel

1141
00:53:05,970 --> 00:53:03,070
well at all afterwards even worse than

1142
00:53:09,180 --> 00:53:05,980
with the psychic readings so you

1143
00:53:12,030 --> 00:53:09,190
associate that like because that's voice

1144
00:53:14,010 --> 00:53:12,040
right that's in the thyroid is in your

1145
00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:14,020
throat that you associate that with

1146
00:53:21,150 --> 00:53:18,190
something with about voice and the

1147
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:21,160
disease or like are you associating with

1148
00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:23,770
that those mediumistic experiences no

1149
00:53:26,789 --> 00:53:25,750
I'm not I think that the thyroid issue

1150
00:53:30,479 --> 00:53:26,799
had to do

1151
00:53:34,620 --> 00:53:30,489
with my psychic work just as a psychic

1152
00:53:36,989 --> 00:53:34,630
reader really more than having to do

1153
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:36,999
with mediumship a terror kept me from

1154
00:53:42,569 --> 00:53:39,420
being a medium as a younger person

1155
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:42,579
because I could never sleep because I

1156
00:53:46,890 --> 00:53:44,650
always felt all these beings around me

1157
00:53:49,469 --> 00:53:46,900
and a person could say that I was just

1158
00:53:51,509 --> 00:53:49,479
crazy and that would be that would be

1159
00:53:54,539 --> 00:53:51,519
one well that's one of the things like

1160
00:53:59,009 --> 00:53:54,549
that's another sorry motorcycle is

1161
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:59,019
driving by that's another topic that we

1162
00:54:03,539 --> 00:54:00,400
want to try and alleviate suffering

1163
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:03,549
around is people have these experiences

1164
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:05,049
and they don't know what to do with them

1165
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:08,559
so can we offer some kind of training or

1166
00:54:13,709 --> 00:54:10,900
like this is what you can expect and

1167
00:54:16,140 --> 00:54:13,719
this is how to control it and this is

1168
00:54:17,939 --> 00:54:16,150
how to not let in experiences that you

1169
00:54:19,890 --> 00:54:17,949
don't want to have and that sort of

1170
00:54:21,509 --> 00:54:19,900
thing like that in and of itself it can

1171
00:54:24,329 --> 00:54:21,519
alleviate a lot of suffering right there

1172
00:54:26,370 --> 00:54:24,339
and that's also on our list of things to

1173
00:54:28,049 --> 00:54:26,380
do in the future if we get some

1174
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:28,059
donations and we can keep our doors open

1175
00:54:34,589 --> 00:54:31,209
yes I certainly hope you do just to to

1176
00:54:38,339 --> 00:54:34,599
finish my piece here about the the

1177
00:54:41,969 --> 00:54:38,349
thyroid and and and miss miss Belle Ruth

1178
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:41,979
and parsed etc at the time that I was

1179
00:54:46,739 --> 00:54:44,410
afflicted with this what happened was I

1180
00:54:51,539 --> 00:54:46,749
was misusing you could say my psychic

1181
00:54:54,329 --> 00:54:51,549
gifts by doing like 10 hours of psychic

1182
00:54:56,459 --> 00:54:54,339
reading a day due to working at events

1183
00:54:59,059 --> 00:54:56,469
at parties and I would leave those

1184
00:55:02,309 --> 00:54:59,069
places completely drained and exhausted

1185
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:02,319
after say doing two holiday parties in

1186
00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:04,089
the New York area for hours in the

1187
00:55:08,910 --> 00:55:05,849
afternoon and for hours at night

1188
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:08,920
completely drained and with incredible

1189
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:11,650
bloodlust I would have to find a

1190
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:14,559
hamburger somewhere and I am not much of

1191
00:55:19,439 --> 00:55:16,569
a meat-eater otherwise it's I'm not a

1192
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:19,449
hundred percent vegetarian nor was I

1193
00:55:27,209 --> 00:55:23,529
then but that was the way my my diet

1194
00:55:30,809 --> 00:55:27,219
ended towards vegetarianism and to be

1195
00:55:32,910 --> 00:55:30,819
that such so much desiring the meat like

1196
00:55:35,009 --> 00:55:32,920
I have to get that Handler I just have

1197
00:55:38,729 --> 00:55:35,019
to find that bar with that juicy

1198
00:55:41,010 --> 00:55:38,739
hamburger it was very bizarre and and so

1199
00:55:45,690 --> 00:55:41,020
I associate

1200
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:45,700
the the thyroid issues with psychic

1201
00:55:50,310 --> 00:55:48,130
reading because mediumship I had left

1202
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:50,320
behind some at some some years

1203
00:55:55,980 --> 00:55:53,200
previously okay we're doing too much of

1204
00:56:00,060 --> 00:55:55,990
it is what you're saying yes doing the

1205
00:56:02,850 --> 00:56:00,070
abusing my my gift as well because at an

1206
00:56:05,370 --> 00:56:02,860
event you have to read at minimally ten

1207
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:05,380
percent in persons an hour they the

1208
00:56:09,660 --> 00:56:06,970
party planners want you to keep the

1209
00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:09,670
guests coming and you know you sit down

1210
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:11,350
with the guests and you tell them about

1211
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:13,240
their life and they get up and then the

1212
00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:15,730
next one sits down and you you could be

1213
00:56:20,250 --> 00:56:17,710
reading a hundred persons in a day and

1214
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:20,260
in that circumstance of of two eight

1215
00:56:25,710 --> 00:56:22,410
hours to four hour shifts rather

1216
00:56:28,140 --> 00:56:25,720
everything evaluation yes indeed I just

1217
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:28,150
thought I would put that in for so so

1218
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:30,910
you I'm sure you still have some ties to

1219
00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:33,720
the old schools where you graduated from

1220
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:36,790
what do they think of your your interest

1221
00:56:42,660 --> 00:56:40,240
today you know I really don't I really

1222
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:42,670
don't have a lot yeah

1223
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:44,890
did you drop them or did they drop you

1224
00:56:51,420 --> 00:56:48,970
or did you just like this research takes

1225
00:56:55,050 --> 00:56:51,430
so much time like the other day was

1226
00:56:58,620 --> 00:56:55,060
marked a nice 10th wedding anniversary

1227
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:58,630
people think graduation thank you people

1228
00:57:00,660 --> 00:56:59,440
are saying what are you gonna do it

1229
00:57:03,630 --> 00:57:00,670
we're gonna work like we do every day

1230
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:03,640
and that's what we did and so it's not

1231
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:06,130
like I like we it's just one of the

1232
00:57:11,070 --> 00:57:09,250
things when you're so busy yeah then you

1233
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:11,080
just don't have time to see people like

1234
00:57:14,849 --> 00:57:13,090
new friends or old friends and

1235
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:14,859
unfortunately I think that's what I

1236
00:57:19,230 --> 00:57:17,050
think that's what happened in that case

1237
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:19,240
well you know you know when are we going

1238
00:57:23,370 --> 00:57:20,410
to see each other I'm not at biology

1239
00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:23,380
meetings and they're not at SSE meetings

1240
00:57:28,290 --> 00:57:26,230
so where well where would I see them

1241
00:57:31,890 --> 00:57:28,300
yeah well you know if you love what you

1242
00:57:34,770 --> 00:57:31,900
do is never work and and yeah you've

1243
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:34,780
obviously found your your fault your

1244
00:57:41,340 --> 00:57:38,770
your calling in this world well yes and

1245
00:57:44,430 --> 00:57:41,350
we have one question will we be seeing

1246
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:44,440
you at the SS meeting SS e meeting this

1247
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:50,770
summer in in Las Vegas I submitted my

1248
00:57:55,310 --> 00:57:53,730
abstract yesterday so we'll we'll see

1249
00:57:58,370 --> 00:57:55,320
let's put it out

1250
00:58:00,740 --> 00:57:58,380
- the universal well well intend that

1251
00:58:02,660 --> 00:58:00,750
they have you come I'm sure I feel I

1252
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:02,670
feel I feel confident that you'll be

1253
00:58:07,970 --> 00:58:05,490
there in that case so we're going to

1254
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:07,980
wrap this up at this time and thank you

1255
00:58:15,020 --> 00:58:11,370
so much for being with us and do you

1256
00:58:17,570 --> 00:58:15,030
have anything else to say in in finality

1257
00:58:20,030 --> 00:58:17,580
here that you want to get across or some

1258
00:58:21,730 --> 00:58:20,040
anecdote or piece of information you

1259
00:58:25,250 --> 00:58:21,740
think would be interesting to our

1260
00:58:25,700 --> 00:58:25,260
listeners thank you so much for having

1261
00:58:28,790 --> 00:58:25,710
me

1262
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:28,800
I think at our on our website wind

1263
00:58:32,210 --> 00:58:29,760
bridge org

1264
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:32,220
there's a lot of free materials if you

1265
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:33,930
want to learn more I put up a couple

1266
00:58:38,030 --> 00:58:35,850
videos about what is a medium and what

1267
00:58:40,070 --> 00:58:38,040
kind of things does a medium say and we

1268
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:40,080
have a couple fact sheets again we're

1269
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:41,730
just getting off the ground so there's

1270
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:46,110
not as I deal we will be able to keep

1271
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:47,730
the doors open make a lot more of these

1272
00:58:53,060 --> 00:58:50,400
things but right now there's a few and

1273
00:58:55,070 --> 00:58:53,070
you can look on our website and there's

1274
00:58:57,620 --> 00:58:55,080
if you are so inclined there's

1275
00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:57,630
peer-reviewed research art journal

1276
00:59:04,340 --> 00:59:01,380
articles there that you can download -

1277
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:04,350
there's lots of lots of things and while

1278
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:06,240
you're there join our email list and

1279
00:59:10,670 --> 00:59:07,650
make a donation

1280
00:59:13,490 --> 00:59:10,680
well the final thing that I have to say

1281
00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:13,500
is that we did have a gentleman on from

1282
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:16,260
I'm trying to his name was Tom and he

1283
00:59:26,660 --> 00:59:22,050
was on from the one of the people who

1284
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:26,670
tries to get a voice voice phenomena or

1285
00:59:35,410 --> 00:59:31,170
EVP EVPs and he he was on our show back

1286
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:35,420
over a year ago and we had an incredible

1287
00:59:42,590 --> 00:59:40,290
anomalous voice come on Kate's channel

1288
00:59:45,740 --> 00:59:42,600
we record on three channels Jenny Moore

1289
00:59:48,050 --> 00:59:45,750
and that would be my channel Kate's

1290
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:48,060
Channel and you the guest Channel

1291
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:50,310
whoever is the guest well Tom hung up

1292
00:59:55,610 --> 00:59:54,090
and his channel was down and dead at the

1293
00:59:58,130 --> 00:59:55,620
time and we were wrapping up the show

1294
01:00:01,550 --> 00:59:58,140
which is what we'll do after we say

1295
01:00:03,170 --> 01:00:01,560
goodbye to you and Kate was saying

1296
01:00:06,910 --> 01:00:03,180
something I forget what she was saying

1297
01:00:09,819 --> 01:00:06,920
and we heard this incredible voice

1298
01:00:11,650 --> 01:00:09,829
and it was it came in on her channel and

1299
01:00:13,569 --> 01:00:11,660
I'm sitting right next to her I could

1300
01:00:16,059 --> 01:00:13,579
see her she did not make the noise and

1301
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:16,069
it was and it was not in the room but

1302
01:00:20,740 --> 01:00:18,049
you might find that interesting to

1303
01:00:21,549 --> 01:00:20,750
listen to of such things in orange of

1304
01:00:24,460 --> 01:00:21,559
interest to you

1305
01:00:27,279 --> 01:00:24,470
well my expertise is in mediumship but

1306
01:00:30,910 --> 01:00:27,289
my husband mark his expertise is in EVP

1307
01:00:33,490 --> 01:00:30,920
and ITC really so when you have him on

1308
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:33,500
he talked about that well we would love

1309
01:00:38,349 --> 01:00:36,650
to have dr. mark Baku Zee on our show I

1310
01:00:39,549 --> 01:00:38,359
just want to put his full name in there

1311
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:39,559
so we you know who we're talking about

1312
01:00:48,819 --> 01:00:45,650
so he we're a really good team because

1313
01:00:51,099 --> 01:00:48,829
he's not a doctor and he so he his

1314
01:00:53,740 --> 01:00:51,109
training is in the real world and

1315
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:53,750
engineering and software engineering and

1316
01:00:57,450 --> 01:00:55,490
so he thinks a different way than I do

1317
01:01:01,240 --> 01:00:57,460
which but you know I came up through the

1318
01:01:02,740 --> 01:01:01,250
science and academia and so he could he

1319
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:02,750
thinks in a different way than I do and

1320
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:05,089
so we make a perfect team research team

1321
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:10,400
and so I just wanted I just did a little

1322
01:01:15,279 --> 01:01:12,529
let you say that and people that you

1323
01:01:17,049 --> 01:01:15,289
didn't correct them but so he's a doctor

1324
01:01:20,349 --> 01:01:17,059
but that makes him a really good

1325
01:01:22,420 --> 01:01:20,359
research partner isn't sullied in all

1326
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:22,430
the baggage that comes with being

1327
01:01:28,210 --> 01:01:25,490
trained in academia so he has like he

1328
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:28,220
has so many good ideas that I don't

1329
01:01:30,970 --> 01:01:29,569
think I could ever come up with and

1330
01:01:33,460 --> 01:01:30,980
together we come up with some really

1331
01:01:35,460 --> 01:01:33,470
great ideas but you you know you're

1332
01:01:37,779 --> 01:01:35,470
almost like the new computer set they're

1333
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:37,789
coming along like he has a quantum

1334
01:01:42,670 --> 01:01:40,160
computer married now to the algorithmic

1335
01:01:45,130 --> 01:01:42,680
type computer and between the two of

1336
01:01:46,930 --> 01:01:45,140
them these computers starting to think

1337
01:01:49,299 --> 01:01:46,940
and come up with ideas as opposed to

1338
01:01:50,859 --> 01:01:49,309
just constant you know I was solving

1339
01:01:52,749 --> 01:01:50,869
this equation that equation the other

1340
01:01:55,329 --> 01:01:52,759
thing so I think I think you've actually

1341
01:01:59,259 --> 01:01:55,339
hit on something yeah we always come up

1342
01:02:01,210 --> 01:01:59,269
we're we're always continually grateful

1343
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:01,220
for the ideas that we come up with

1344
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:02,960
together that I don't think either of us

1345
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:05,210
could come up with alone we yeah we're

1346
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:07,730
really grateful for this team research

1347
01:02:12,339 --> 01:02:10,730
wise and life partner wise we make a

1348
01:02:16,329 --> 01:02:12,349
really good team great

1349
01:02:20,590 --> 01:02:16,339
well once again thank you dr. Julie by

1350
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:20,600
shal of the wind bridge Research Center

1351
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:23,330
and the wind bridge Institute thank you

1352
01:02:29,230 --> 01:02:26,090
very much for being on shattered reality

1353
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podcast yeah absolutely it was great

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talking to you best of luck in the

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future to you doing good work we hope to

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see we hope to see you in June and June

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this year Racing Las Vegas okay okay so

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long now

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take care debate so that was pretty

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interesting it's very interesting and

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she's just really such a pure scientist

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that's it's wonderful and what I what I

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liked so much about her be saying that

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we don't know what a lot of these things

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are you know obviously she she got away

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from the the the binary choices that

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seemed to be implicit in such research

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and I'm glad I couldn't be more

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gratified that she did display interest

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in it not being a binary thing in that

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it could be something that we don't know

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about it all which is which is of

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interest to me and so here we are a

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chatted reality I guess another shadow

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reality 12 do you have announcements

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before we well we want to invite anybody

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who has had a paranormal experience and

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listens to the show to be in our

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listeners corner we had quite a few in a

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row there for a while and now we need

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some new blood in the area only not

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literally speaking please don't bleed we

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need we need some new stories so that

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you can be in our listeners corner and

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also we invite comments and questions

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and questions as we got from Ellen

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Merritt our listener so what I think we

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do have a few upcoming shows but we're a

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little uncertain about the dates on

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things so we're going to we're going to

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not talk about them right now but if you

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if you have requests for people being on

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please keep in mind that we do

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people with a broad range of experience

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in any kind of anomalous phenomena or

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edge science but we generally do not

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have claimants so if you have a way to

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make three million dollars overnight or

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those millions of dollars we could use

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as well but still the same we're not

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we're not doing claimants anything else

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other than that that involves studies or

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ideas about paranormal phenomena we're

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very interested in new books and that

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sort of thing so okay well I guess it's

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drawers to close yes yes indeed so from